Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Hi there, and welcome to today's proper golfing podcast with myself, Joe Cameron
Speaker 1 00:00:04 And Julie Miller.
Speaker 0 00:00:05 We are indeed co-creators of proper golfing.com. So our series is all about what's happening to real people, real data, and real results in our transformation vault. So that's nearly 5 million words of Julian Coaching real people. Yeah. So we're on episode six and there's a lot more to come, but today's episode, we are calling it the Vault case. That surprised us most this week.
Speaker 1 00:00:31 Interesting, wasn't it, Joe? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:00:32 I mean, we get Mark. Yeah, we're gonna call him Mark. A lot of people with similar issues going on, but basically, as I'm saying, nothing is scripted on here. We've got our notes to remind us about the facts and data, but basically this is a story of the golf that we're gonna call Mark today. And he's someone who didn't arrive, struggling in the most way in the people that, that, in the way that people expect. He wasn't sure of speed, he wasn't lacking knowledge. And statistically he was always doing, he is already he doing all right. Doing things well. Yeah. Yeah. But what happened next? So
Speaker 1 00:01:07 Things got worse, Joe.
Speaker 0 00:01:09 Okay.
Speaker 1 00:01:10 That's not good. As they got worse, he started trying harder as
Speaker 0 00:01:14 They got worse on the course. Not here.
Speaker 1 00:01:16 Well, no, on the golf course and, and joined the coaching session. Okay. His dispersion got worse, so he started hitting it more offline, started missing the strike. Really? So he is quite a center striker. Started missing it towards the toe a little bit more. Lost distance. No worries. Lost a bit of confidence quite quickly. And guess what he started to do? What? Try harder.
Speaker 0 00:01:44 Oh yeah. That thing. Try harder,
Speaker 1 00:01:47 Tried harder, started to try and manage things. Started to try and manage the strike. The contact. Yeah. The direction, the distance. Inevitably what happens, Joe, when people start to try harder? You've seen this as much as I have. Well, a tension
Speaker 0 00:02:01 Creeps in, doesn't it? People get frustrated, they get stressed and he's only gonna go one way really, isn't it? Yeah. If you dunno how to get out of that psychological state. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:02:10 The thing is he's, he's, he's swung freely before. Yeah. But that fear kicks in, you know, I don't want to hit bad shots. And when we start trying, everything starts to lock up. Yeah. Not just physically, but mentally. So
Speaker 0 00:02:25 He was trying to manage everything.
Speaker 1 00:02:26 Yeah. He was interfering.
Speaker 0 00:02:28 Ah, right,
Speaker 1 00:02:29 Okay. It's quite a good word, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was interfering. So it's like his, his conscious brain had taken over and goes, okay, I've got this, but actually it's his subconscious that we needed to to, to get doing its job again properly. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:02:42 So he was basically Yeah. Trying too hard, trying to manage things and just Yeah. Getting involved where he didn't need to get involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:02:50 That's, yeah. Absolutely. Describing that. So as a golf coach, what I know in that moment, he didn't need more information. He didn't need more coaching. Yeah. I needed to give him the opposite to that. So what I did is on, on our simulator here, we could go into a driving range where there's no hazards. I don't know why, but ironically, it set at 374 yards. Okay. To, to a target. Nobody's really gonna hit it that far here. So I set it to 374 yards, no green, no outcome. We weren't trying to hit it at a specific distance. And I said, look, I just don't, I don't want you to try and con control what you're doing. I want you to start to swing freely. I want you to feel that lovely coordination. He's got great coordination normally, but again, when he started to try and he was pausing the impact, so on and so forth. And then I says, I also want you to just hold your finish.
Speaker 0 00:03:46 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:03:47 So swing freely, hold your finish. Try not to control the direction. Five shots, Joe. No way. Five shots. You wouldn't believe the difference in ball strike direction, distance. And he, he
Speaker 0 00:04:00 Actually just in the old finish though, Julian, it's our proper gold fi signature. Six second finish.
Speaker 1 00:04:04 Six second finish. Yeah. Yeah. What, what did he say, Joe? He said he actually said something was really important.
Speaker 0 00:04:10 Yeah, yeah. Well he was talking, I like this thing about he was talking himself outta his own coordination. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:04:16 And he stopped supervising his golf. Oh yes, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. What a great description of a person's golf. Nobody wants
Speaker 0 00:04:23 To supervise anything, do they? How tiring is that? But
Speaker 1 00:04:26 That's how we are mentally as, as golfers, you know, when we start searching for stuff with supervising, is this right? Is that right? I haven't got this Right. It's so much information. You don't need it. You sometimes you've gotta let go of that. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:04:38 And the other guy as well, just dipping into the other guy the other day, you, the lesson was playing around the golf, wasn't it? Right. But he played out of his skin because he was only thinking about that one shot. Yeah. He's like, I've learned something new today, because he was carrying everything going
Speaker 1 00:04:54 Forward. Same thing. So I was, I was his caddy. So we're playing virtual golf. We can do auto ping in, in the simulator, which is cool, but I was his caddy now he was starting to do really well, and it would've been very tempting to say, look at your score.
Speaker 1 00:05:12 Yes. Because he, I think he was six, $7 in and he was level par. Wow. And he's not normally a level par shooter. Yeah. Okay. But all we focused on was the shot. Yeah. This, this shot. Okay, this is the club, this is how far we're trying to hit it. Let's hit it to that target, not how to hit it there. Focus on the target. Okay. One shot at a time. Okay, let's hit it there at the end. He shot, I think it was two or three. It might have even been no 1.8 over. And he plays off 10.
Speaker 0 00:05:40 That's incredible,
Speaker 1 00:05:41 Wasn't it? Slightly, because he was literally
Speaker 0 00:05:42 Just focusing on that.
Speaker 1 00:05:44 Yeah. So, but I didn't tell him until the end. So I said, look, don't look at the screen. Tell me what happened.
Speaker 0 00:05:50 Was he not like trying to look at the sword eye?
Speaker 1 00:05:52 No. He, I said, just, just tell me what happened. He says, I was just, he had a, a a, a different pre-shot routine. So he had a little practice wing. He was working on a, a very simple shoulder movement. Very simple. Which was altering his path. All, all for the good. He said. So I, I just focused on that and I stood over it. Okay. Now I just trusted it. And then I said, look at your score. And he was, he just couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:06:16 Yeah. And he was absolutely thrilled leaving it. He was like, whoa, that's a confidence boost. But, but the thing we're talking about here, so before we go into the final bit, which is what you can do, you know, to help yourself is basically if you go onto proper golfing.com, you will be able to download your three fixes or a plan or something like that to get your golf back on track. Yeah. Basically what we send you back there is human interaction between Julian and myself and you. You send us your thoughts and we'll send you something back depending on, you know, which element of the website that you are on. But all these plans solutions are taken from this nearly 5 million words that we've been recording, which is our, a testimony to you. I've also gotta say religiously, go to proper golfing.com, you can download some free stuff. You send us your individual answers, and we'll send you an individual plan back based on these things. But I just wanna also say something else that you've been doing as well recently is to become a, a better coach. He's been recording himself and evaluating himself, which I think is like really, really mind blowing. Humbling. So your coaching level is just going higher and higher and higher, isn't it? You've just
Speaker 1 00:07:27 Been really, I think as a golf coach, brave. Yeah. I think as a golf coach, we don't hold ourselves accountable sometimes, right? Yeah. You know, we repeat often similar things and go, well, is that really helping? Yeah. So we, we are definitely helping golfers who come in up, but I thought, how do I do this better? Yeah. How do you do it better? And the fact that we can record them and then get it assessed against a standard that we've set, that standard is really the top 5%. Anything. It's very tricky to get there. I wouldn't say it's difficult. It's just tricky. 'cause you have to think about what you're doing is the words that you're gonna say to the person really going to help them. So it's not just blurb, you know, you stand on the range and you hear, hear the same thing time and time again. I don't want that. I, I know that we can do things better, but I wanted to hold myself accountable. I, I didn't even tell you I was doing it for a bit. Did I
Speaker 0 00:08:25 Know. I know, I know. But like your confidence level and your knowledge level has absolutely shot through the roof. Mm. The the other thing that I wanna say about the 5 million words is that we did a bit of research and basically that's between 40 and 60 books worth.
Speaker 1 00:08:41 Yes. It's a lot of information. I can't
Speaker 0 00:08:43 Even believe that. I can't even believe that that is
Speaker 1 00:08:46 Absolutely. Yeah. We could actually write that many books now with
Speaker 0 00:08:48 Full to 60 books with everything that's in our transformation vault. Six months. I think you've been doing it a year. You say six months. It's mind blowing. So whatever we give you actually works. Yeah. It's data driven, people driven. And I know I say it every single time on this podcast, but nobody else has got that level of depth and information and things that do work, which is things that don't work. So these are gonna work. We So we're coming onto you now, aren't we? About what you can do. Yeah. To take away. So what are you recommending then, Julian?
Speaker 1 00:09:18 So first off, you have to take away outcome.
Speaker 0 00:09:21 Yeah. Well let go, let go of the outcome in it. Yeah. Let
Speaker 1 00:09:23 Go of the outcome. So hit down the range. Yeah. Don't try, don't pick a target. Just have freedom. Yeah. Okay. That freedom does what Joe, what do you think it does? Might
Speaker 0 00:09:34 Just makes you have a free flowing swing.
Speaker 1 00:09:36 So Yeah. It frees you up.
Speaker 0 00:09:38 Movement, freedom, movement, less tension, less energy. Good, good, good. It's only gonna go up, up, up the way, is
Speaker 1 00:09:43 It? Yeah. So if we tighten everything, what then happens? So if we go, gotta hit it down a very narrow target, everything starts to tighten up, you're gonna lose freedom in your golfing. You also tend to lose a lot of coordination. Yeah. It's a massive issue. So let
Speaker 0 00:09:57 Me just explain. So outcome driven thinking is like so prevalent in western societies. Yeah. It is. Like, you know, I used to work in various in engineering and sales and it's all very outcome driven. So that is understandable that as a golfer Yeah. You're always looking at your outcome. What we are saying here is we're looking at the process, not the outcome. You know? So say if you hit a ball and Augusta wind takes it, you have absolutely no control over that outcome.
Speaker 1 00:10:26 Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:10:27 Yeah. No control whatsoever. So what's the point? Like you say you supervisor and your golf swing, and I know we've got loads of people that we know that golf becomes a real stressful thing that they don't enjoy because they're trying to control the outcome, the performance anxiety. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:10:40 It's a real, it's a real issue we're gonna write
Speaker 0 00:10:42 About. But, you know, let go of the outcome, isn't it? Let go. Just, it's a process.
Speaker 1 00:10:46 Well, you have to give your, you have to create a safe environment Yeah. Where you're allowed to fail. Yeah, a hundred percent. Because when you are in that situation, you stop trying so hard. Yeah. Lo and behold, your, the, your natural swing starts to show up. It doesn't look controlled and managed is, is a, yeah. Is a good word. So if you allow that to start to happen and, and don't try and hit the ball a particular distance. So we're not looking to try and hit it 300 yards, like these superstars can do, let's swing within yourself. But if you really focus on holding your finish, if you're in balance, you're gonna hit a lot of good golf shots. So once you start to let go of where it's going, lo and behold it starts going in the right direction. I was just gonna,
Speaker 0 00:11:40 Can I use a, because I'm a big yoga and Pilate, sorry, yoga fan and you know, when in yoga we talk about, say, when you're trying to touch your toes. Yeah. You know, ultimately the end game is to reach your toes. But you know, if you're too stiff and you can't get there, we often say it's what you learn on the way down. Yeah. Rather than actually touching your toes. Yeah, absolutely. Because if you think about it, if my outcome is to touch my toes and I'm not there yet, I've gotta look, I've gotta go with just what I can do at the moment. So, but if I go every time thinking I haven't touched my toes today, then I could get just, where's that gonna get you? It's just gonna make you a bit frustrated a bit
Speaker 1 00:12:13 Better. Well, you're always, you're you're always searching then, aren't you? How, how, how. Whereas actually it's within yourself. As I say to most people who come in here, everybody who I coach has a natural golf swing. Yeah. My duty to them is to help them bring it out, you know? And there's so much information out there. Yeah, yeah. Positions. And you, you, you know, it, you, you know, if you're listening to this or, or or watching this, you've probably been on YouTube, Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. TikTok, all that stuff. We're, we're just drowning in information, Joe. And we've gotta, we've gotta do something about that. We've gotta enable people to free up. Yeah. So, and enjoy the swings.
Speaker 0 00:12:49 Yeah. Key message, let go of the outcome. I was just trying to think, you know, like if you've ever worked in sales or anything, you know, I used to teach, teach people on telesales and we always used to say, you know, if you're a door knocker, you know, selling door to door, you have to knock a hundred doors to get three sales or something. So you can't be coming at it by the outcome. You are just knocking the doors.
Speaker 1 00:13:09 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're
Speaker 0 00:13:10 Just knocking the doors and then doing your best and then it will happen, won't it? But most if you try and knock, if you knock, oh, I gotta get 10 today. Yeah. Instantly you get a bit time.
Speaker 1 00:13:19 My super tip for you now, and I don't, I don't think I've even told you that I do this very often. I would say every week when I hit some balls in the range, at least 30 of those balls I'll hit with my eyes closed.
Speaker 0 00:13:31 Yeah. Okay. Now
Speaker 1 00:13:33 I don't do that. Yeah. I don't do that to show off. Yeah. I do it to heighten my awareness and feel right. Okay. Because I can't see a target. I can't even see the golf ball, but I tend to make much better golf swings with my eyes closed. 'cause I'm not trying. But you
Speaker 0 00:13:46 Do, I'm just making swing. But you that, that I think is something else for you to do today. It is like, hit 30 golf balls. 'cause often we talk about hitting a ball with your eyes closed. So do 30.
Speaker 1 00:13:55 Yeah. I do that every week. Re re regard. Yeah. Right. And the the other thing that I notice every time, my balance gets better every time. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:14:05 It's a tricky thing. Balance to be working on, but it is, it's
Speaker 1 00:14:07 Wonderful.
Speaker 0 00:14:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just relax, enjoy
Speaker 1 00:14:09 Your goals. Yeah. Enjoy your golfing. You know what I mean?
Speaker 0 00:14:12 We, we do. You're doing like one of the group coaching calls, aren't you performers?
Speaker 1 00:14:16 Anxiety. Yeah. Anxiety. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely coming
Speaker 0 00:14:18 Up and I'm thinking, you know, my, my input there is to let go of the outcome. But the thing is, you know, say if you're getting performance anxiety, you, your mind cannot hold two emotions at the same time. So it can't be anxious, frightened, nervous at the same time as just appreciating that you're out there and you often talk about just appreciating the surroundings. Appreciate your friends, appreciate you know that you're out there. Yeah. You get too tangled in the outcome too. Tangled in results. It's usually a downward downward
Speaker 1 00:14:48 It imagine if you are the nicest person to play with.
Speaker 0 00:14:53 Yeah. Yeah. The most appreciative that,
Speaker 1 00:14:55 That would be quite a nice thing to, to, to achieve, wouldn't it? Yeah. I really enjoy playing with these people. Yeah. I really enjoyed that. Yeah. Yeah. And generally if you're doing that, you are gonna be swinging. Well. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:15:05 A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Well I hope you've enjoyed it today anyway, if you want to make contact with us, we're everywhere. team@propergolfing.com. You can WhatsApp, us, Facebookers, anywhere. We're here, there and everywhere. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. But remember, if you go to proper golfing.com, you send us your questions or your, or your answers, depending on which page you are on, and then we'll personalize the response back to you based on your question. So it eliminates guesswork. Why wouldn't you wanna do that? Really to help you with your golf. But yeah. Anyway. I'm Joe. I'm Julian. Oh, and this is our little dog, which you can't see. So if you wonder what's going on down there, there's a little Chloe. So we'll see you again next time. Have a lovely day. Take care. Bye. Bye.
