Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:05 Hi there. Welcome to today's podcast, golf Made Simple, brought to you by the proper Golfing Academy here in very sunny Royal Ton Spa with myself, Joe Cameron and
Speaker 2 00:00:14 Julian n. Pleased to meet you.
Speaker 1 00:00:16 What? Me or there? Both. Just, my god, the suns came out last. Last in July. Anyway, so today's podcast is all about making the purchase of golf clubs simpler. We're all about make golf simpler, aren't we? Yep, absolutely. So today you're gonna talk about making that process 'cause it is a bit of a minefield, isn't it? Yeah, it
Speaker 2 00:00:34 Is. It is very confusing for a lot of people. Yeah. And it shouldn't really be that way. And I've had a few years experience of standing golf stuff, so I'll, I'll, I'll try and help as much as possible
Speaker 1 00:00:46 In three simple points. That's what I'm gonna call later on. So also coming up today, our feature, a bit of tripped down memory lane, the golfing memories of 1987.
Speaker 2 00:00:57 Brilliant.
Speaker 1 00:00:57 Were we then?
Speaker 2 00:00:58 I was.
Speaker 1 00:01:01 We were. Yeah, it must great one that, yeah, 1987. And then our little feature on which you've just got a lof, the crazy ridiculous rules of golf. I mean, well I think they are. You probably don't know They are. Yeah. Clean one out there. You
Speaker 2 00:01:15 Haven't told me what they're, so I don't know whether they're ridiculous or not, but we'll
Speaker 1 00:01:18 See. So without further ado, let's pack on. So we're gonna give you three tips on making a purchase of gold clubs simpler. So give us tip number one, please, Julian.
Speaker 2 00:01:27 Tip number one, if you're choosing ions, for instance, make sure you choose the right club head for your capability for your standard. So I've got three different clubs here go.
Speaker 1 00:01:39 Okay. So if you are just listening, the pictures will be on the Facebook page at proper golfing. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:01:44 Yeah. So we've got one that's called a blade. So you can see from here it's quite thin, looks quite small. Okay. These really are for, I would say league golfers or people who want to shape the golf ball. I do see some high handicappers using these and they're completely the wrong type of golfers for them. Okay. So I wouldn't use a blade if you were a high mid to high handicap.
Speaker 1 00:02:07 Great tip. Them beginner golfers don't buy blades. Blades. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:02:11 Definitely don't. This one is, has got quite a thick sole, a nice hole in the back, what we call a cavity. This is much more user friendly. Helps get the golf ball in the air. Okay. Much, much easier and just a, a lot easier to use for definitely higher handicappers. So if you, if you're struggling to get the golf ball in the air, something this kind of thick, what's that called then? This, it's, it is a cavity bag, but it's a really user friendly one. You can also get hybrid ions. I actually haven't got one of those here, but we can, we can definitely put that in the picture. They make getting the golf ball up in the air really easy. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:02:47 So this is cavity button and that's what we're saying. If you're high handicap beginner learner to golf, yeah. Cavity. But as I say, if you can't, you know, if you're on audio only, we'll put some pictures on Facebook page. But basically it's got a cavity in the back obviously. Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2 00:03:00 Which really puts the central gravity low down the low down and far back and get it, it gets golf ball up in there. Perfect. Okay. You don't get that with a blade. And then this is the one that's in between. So it is a cavity back, but it hasn't got quite as much help as, as the other one that we're showing here.
Speaker 1 00:03:15 So how, if you went into a shop and you wanted ask for that one, what are you asking for?
Speaker 2 00:03:18 It's again, it's a C back game improvement golf club. It's
Speaker 1 00:03:22 Really nice name, isn't it? Game improvement golf club counter back.
Speaker 2 00:03:24 Yeah. Yeah. So they, the old golf clubs, these blade ones just too difficult to use for the majority of golfers. I I, I haven't used blades for many, many years.
Speaker 1 00:03:36 You are quite good.
Speaker 2 00:03:38 I'm all right. But why make it ours? No way would I?
Speaker 1 00:03:42 No reminding you we're scratching blades. Really? Unless you're really, really
Speaker 2 00:03:46 Golf. Yeah. People say they look really nice. I'm, I mean really good with 'em, but probably not.
Speaker 1 00:03:51 So's the cavity back I the other one. Yeah. Okay. So that's tip number one and it's shape of the head. Yeah. Okay. So the year of focus before coming on to the other two points. 'cause the other two are chaps and grips, which we're gonna come on to. So we were discussing, weren't we on little trip down memory lane? 1987.
Speaker 2 00:04:07 1987. What are year, are
Speaker 1 00:04:08 You gonna actually give away how old you were then?
Speaker 2 00:04:10 I was 17 famously. I was junior captain at books and IP golf club they sent here. Oh.
Speaker 1 00:04:19 Ever listen to him?
Speaker 2 00:04:21 Not many people would even care. You have to do what do, what did
Speaker 1 00:04:24 You have to do to be,
Speaker 2 00:04:25 I had to do a few speeches and give some presentations.
Speaker 1 00:04:27 Example,
Speaker 2 00:04:29 Mr. Madam, captain. Mr. Captain. Mr. President. What? Winning members of the committee. Welcome to the Gold Club. Oh, when you were 17. Yeah. You had to do all that was I was doing speeches when I was 13. I was winning, but I won my first competition off 4,000. You sound
Speaker 1 00:04:47 Like that. Captains or not?
Speaker 2 00:04:49 Well, I used to have a nickname called Hilo. When my voice was starting to break. I used to have a Hilo. Didn't do it. No, I can't do, shall I do?
Speaker 1 00:04:56 Hello Lady Captain. I can't do that. You're 13.
Speaker 2 00:05:00 When I was 13 I won my first competition.
Speaker 1 00:05:02 Not so nice. I think that's a great story. But what books and hype? I mean, you know, if you're outside the, even if you're inside the uk, you might go, what the heck is Buxton High Peak?
Speaker 2 00:05:13 Yeah, it's high. It's got a peak and it's where the water comes from. Joe Best Water in the World. Bottle
Speaker 1 00:05:19 Water on about now. B. Yeah. Yeah. But he's a bit, the conditions there a bit aren't they in Buxton? He's he's not facing
Speaker 2 00:05:26 You get a lot of wind, you get a lot of rain and then you get a bit more rain. And I think that's why you
Speaker 1 00:05:31 Think that's why you don't like,
Speaker 2 00:05:33 Oh, excuse
Speaker 1 00:05:33 The water.
Speaker 2 00:05:34 Yeah, you've got plenty of water there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:05:37 Do you know what? Is that why you don't like the rain? Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:05:39 But it does ba it's a very small town, but it does Bos two golf courses. Yeah. And one was designed by the designer of Augusta.
Speaker 1 00:05:48 No,
Speaker 2 00:05:48 There you go. Oh really?
Speaker 1 00:05:50 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:51 There you go. Look at that. Who knew?
Speaker 1 00:05:53 Would you recommend anybody go play it then? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:55 Cavendish Golf Club it's
Speaker 1 00:05:56 Called. Is it? Oh that's a nice one, isn't it? Yeah. Well
Speaker 2 00:05:57 Most,
Speaker 1 00:05:59 Yeah. But Cavage is really, really, really
Speaker 2 00:06:01 Nice, isn't it? Yeah, they're both different, but they're so
Speaker 1 00:06:03 For American people or anybody outside the uk, it's a tourist destination really? Isn't it books them these days. It can be. Yeah. It it's got the, the Water and Thes Spa. It's a bit like Ton Spa when we come from It's called about the water, isn't it? Yeah. I think we must be Water babe Darling. There you go. The 1987 brings back some really good memories to me as well. Yes. Okay. So while Jeanie was out on the golf course, I was enjoying a bit of night because what I from a place called Coventry in the uk. Right. And you can Google it, but people go there, they don't generally come out. So there's a saying,
Speaker 2 00:06:33 You get sent to Cory, they
Speaker 1 00:06:35 Do get center to Coventry. Yeah. And I didn't realize the other day we were filming at a Coventry golf course and it's got elephants and castles on it and the castles to do with like getting, being sent Cory. Yeah. Oh right. I can't, what the elephant. Anyway, it was also bomb in the blitz. So it's got two cathedrals, but in 1987 was the year the Arye city. This place, the actual home of Two-Tone music. Who to music when the FA Cup, most people know the FA Cup, don't they? You know, if you into football, you know the FA Cup. But Commentary City, who knew won the FA Cup in 1987. So my mum queued up for hours to get us these tickets. Brilliant. And it was too old with a few minutes to go. My memory is a bit sketchy 'cause it was a long time ago when dinosaurs were on the planet. But yeah, my brother was crying as I, it broke his heart that it looked like we were gonna lose and then we won three, two.
Speaker 2 00:07:22 Oh wow.
Speaker 1 00:07:23 So honestly I think that's probably one of my
Speaker 2 00:07:25 True,
Speaker 1 00:07:26 Yeah. All my best moments actually coming back on, you know, seeing all the buses going down the street. But anyway, so, well that happened in 1980. So there was you obviously, I mean that was the emo, wasn't it? You know what I'm saying? Being the junior captain of booked some high peak that was emo, but there was some others as well.
Speaker 2 00:07:39 There was three really memorable events that year. Yeah. Is Nick Faldo won the open championship playing against Paul Inger and I believe he poured every hole on the last round of golf. Wow. It fell loaded and won it by one. And that was amazing. And then Larry, me beat Greg Norman in the Masters. Right. Second playoff hole. Hit the ball way off to the right. Really, really difficult shot. Greg Norman was on the edge of the green. Larry Myers did a famous chipping and won the masters. Yeah. So not expected to win it, but that was amazing. Wow.
Speaker 1 00:08:15 Sorry Americans thought's going on next.
Speaker 2 00:08:17 Yeah. And then Europe won the Ryder Cup at Mul Field
Speaker 1 00:08:21 Actually, where's our
Speaker 2 00:08:22 1513. Wow. Yeah, they hadn't worn in America for far too many years. And so they won in at the RIE 80, 85 and then they won in 87. So yeah. Very impressive.
Speaker 1 00:08:38 So if you had like a great big roll of wallpaper, like in your head you put out it literally have all these gold facts on it, like gold forever. You
Speaker 2 00:08:46 Do some, some funny things. Yeah. Well when, when you've done golf all your life, you love it, you know stuff. You accumulate information, don't you? So, yeah. Could I win a quiz at it? Probably not, but I have got quite a bit. Do
Speaker 1 00:09:00 You know what I do wanna see? I want to see a picture of you in 1987 with a book and high Pete thing. When you're captain,
Speaker 2 00:09:08 We, we need to see a, used to have a book somewhere at the st 10 year booklet if anybody's got one. So the members of books Sky Peak, if you have got a Centen magazine or a a little booklet that that was produced, that'd be great to see. Yeah. Wow. So that's when I used to have a mi a middle party in as well.
Speaker 1 00:09:26 I dunno actually, I don't wanna see it. I, I don't actually think I wanna see a picture of me in 1987 anyway because it was all like warmers and ro skirts. There you, sorry. You dunno about that. Oh yeah. To be honest, it's best that you dunno about that. Right. Going back to the clubs then. So we've got the yeah. Shape of the head. Second one is chefs.
Speaker 2 00:09:44 Yeah. So I've just got a couple of of things here. So I am now classed as a senior golfer. About seven years ago I moved away from steel chefs and I moved to graphite chefs.
Speaker 1 00:09:59 This is really important, isn't it? This is really important. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:10:02 Just graphites lighter and I didn't really want to feel that I was struggling swinging the clubhead and I wanted to keep my distance up. So it's a bit of a myth that graphite shafts hit the golf ball further. The shaft on its own, doesn't it? It's the fact that it's lighter and you can move it quicker. Okay. That helps you hit it further. Yeah, but they're, they tend not to give you the vibration of the grip so you, it's healthier, so it doesn't really go into your joints quite so much. But you can, there's so many different graphite chefs out there now. Generally in golf, if you buy cheap, you are buying cheap. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:10:37 Buy cheap, buy twice is a motto.
Speaker 2 00:10:39 Well buy three times, I would say with golf. So
Speaker 1 00:10:41 These are more expensive then. So
Speaker 2 00:10:42 Yeah, some of these are a bit more expensive. The ones I use a, a company called Zio, but I just find those a really fabulous golf club for me. They're, they're at the top end. Yeah. But I, I really do like them. Now the other thing that a lot of golfers don't know, and I see loads of senior golfers Yeah. With old golf clubs, apparently after about eight years, steel shafts start to go stiffer. So you can, you could start off with a regular shaft and after eight years they become stiff or even extra stiff, which means they're not gonna play anything like they used to. Yeah. Now with the exception of one shaft, which is a Japanese shaft called a nip on shaft, that stays the same flex because of the way that it's made. So if your clubs are over eight years old, chances are the shafts are nothing like they were, if they're steel and they're also heavier. So some people like heavy golf clubs. I personally don't. I I think why struggle? So, so it's really important as well, if you guys are looking at golf clubs, go for a good fitting. So probably there's sums real specialist fitters out there. It's well worth spending time and money with these people because they are brilliant at their job. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:11:53 Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't you, you say, you know, he's four hours on the golf course, isn't it? You know what I'm saying? The right, the right. That's what, what people
Speaker 2 00:11:59 Want to do, isn't it? So you wouldn't drive your car with a seat too far forward or too far back and then steering in the wrong place, would you? So, you know, if you've got a set of golf clubs that are fitted to you, you feel better already. It's gotta be worth one or two shots around, I would
Speaker 1 00:12:12 Say. Yeah. I actually felt like you're having a bit of pop me then with the car
Speaker 2 00:12:16 Seat. No, I wouldn't do that. But it's difficult when I get after you.
Speaker 1 00:12:22 Honestly, I thought you just woven that in on purpose then. Not really taking a mickey out me. 'cause like, I don't think I ever used to be small. I don't know what happened. I think it, our door was so tall, it makes me look smaller. I, I never used to be this small, honestly. I'm sure I'm, I'm honestly convinced. But anyway, yeah, just, just let me have my seat. Where on it anyway, so we're talking about 1987. So we've got the books ip, we've got the Comedy City. And then I just wanna give a shout out actually people on YouTube because a lot of people on YouTube send us some really nice comments. So we've got Pamela Delaney, that's it. This is all our work. She's saying about one of our videos, which we did on the golf course recently. Such a wonderful video, such a gem, lots of reminders.
Speaker 1 00:12:57 We've got the short game. So thank you very much for that. We've got Richard Adams saying informative nine honest nine holes of golf, the video. So the video's called, oh anyway, it's not, it's on YouTube from like July, isn't it? Yeah. The hardest pathway in the uk. So I like that Richard Adams saying Honest 900 off. Hi Richard. Hey Rich. And then we've got Norfolk boy who's saying it was a really enjoyable watch. So have a look at that. It, yeah, it's played on the hardest path three in the UK wasn't it? We did have some fun with that. So before we move on to the final point of the golf clubs Yeah. This rule thing?
Speaker 2 00:13:34 Yes. Oh God, that I'm interested.
Speaker 1 00:13:36 Okay. So I'll just did a quick Google of like the most dafty golf role. I mean there's loads, right? But this one is my favorite. Okay. Here's a
Speaker 2 00:13:45 Test. I'm not even looking.
Speaker 1 00:13:46 Oh, okay. It's a test. Yeah. So it is under this rule, blah, blah blah. It's about in relation to what happens if you golf shop ends up inside the clubhouse and it's not out bounds. Right.
Speaker 2 00:13:57 Does happen. Imagine that does happen.
Speaker 1 00:13:59 Who's the here's done that?
Speaker 2 00:14:00 I've seen Windows smashed, so, oh, okay. If the window's open, it could go into the, okay. As long as it's not outbound, I would say. So
Speaker 1 00:14:07 What do you do? What would you know what to do? What it mean? Just to like make sure that you've got it right.
Speaker 2 00:14:13 I would say, Joe, that if it's not out of bounds, you have to play it as it lies. Yeah. Tricky if you are, if the windows are shut. So I don't know if there's a real way you could change,
Speaker 1 00:14:25 You could, you allowed to open the window on the door.
Speaker 2 00:14:27 Okay. That's really cool. So you can, yeah. Open it and have a go. You definitely, you definitely don't get lot of people.
Speaker 1 00:14:37 I'm saying imagine
Speaker 2 00:14:38 How it goes wrong.
Speaker 1 00:14:39 Can you imagine, cast your mind back to book some high peak when you were 14 or 13 trying to hit the golf ball, like the
Speaker 2 00:14:43 Golf block. Yeah, that'd be a really long shot. Just have you seen it in tournament? So, you know, see sometimes they hit it into the stands and it's probably a better shot playing it from the stand than it is going. They're
Speaker 1 00:14:56 Automatically outbound either.
Speaker 2 00:14:57 No, no, not necessarily. No.
Speaker 1 00:14:59 I don't dunno. I'll tell you what, that's a good job. We've got people like you that can interpret these rules. It'd
Speaker 2 00:15:04 Be lovely if, if you guys have come across rules. Oh yeah. It's a crazy role that you could let us know and we could we, you know, drop it in the comment box and we can talk about it in the next one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there are some strange ones. I'll tell you this, the hardest one for me, Joe. I was a junior. I hit a, a ball onto a par three, quite close to the hole. A crow came and pinched my ball and flew off with it and dropped it on the other fairway. And my original tea shop was quite close to home. I didn't know what to do. No way. Because I was only a kid. Okay. So I played it from where it was. Yeah. I got it on the green. Yeah. And I made a par with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I got into the clubhouse, they realized that I broke a rule. I got two shot penalty. So I should have put it back where it was. I didn't know that was gonna,
Speaker 1 00:15:48 Honestly, this game is so unfair isn't it?
Speaker 2 00:15:50 Came off with a five and it was looking like a two.
Speaker 1 00:15:54 No, yeah. Actually know, I think I've read a rule about something to do with that. Yeah. It happens whether it was live or dead anymore. So. Oh my goodness. Me. See, I'm sure when I used to play hockey there weren't these, that many D balls. I suppose there is somewhere, aren't they? Right. So we're gonna come on the final tip in a minute about the golf clubs. Just mentioning the recommended video watch of the week is, it's got really popular hasn't it? Yeah. To do with chipping, I think it's called Amazing chipping
Speaker 2 00:16:18 Technique. Amazing chipping technique. Yeah. So we did a A members meeting, online meeting. Yeah. And we had a guy there, a short gang guru called Stan Ley. Yes. Who spoke about the chipping technique. Yeah. So I made a video on what he spoke about and yeah, it's been very popular. It's had quite a lot of views. Yeah. But it really does work. Gives you some incredible control. So I think it's called amazing technique, but again, we'll put a link in.
Speaker 1 00:16:44 I think you've convinced me as well to do some chipping in a, for in a forthcoming video. So
Speaker 2 00:16:47 We are, we are
Speaker 1 00:16:48 Going to, we've can put some stuff on YouTube as
Speaker 2 00:16:49 An non golfer. It's gonna be
Speaker 1 00:16:50 Into yeahs stuff on YouTube and then with me hanging around in the background. So I've got various injuries going on at the moment, but I think you've convinced me to do some chipping, which would be quite cool. The weird thing is, is that in our proper golfing academy video library Yeah. There is 37 videos on chipping. I'm like, how the heck can you have 37 videos on chipping? I think I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 2 00:17:08 You're definitely gonna find out some stuff.
Speaker 1 00:17:10 Yeah. 37 videos on chipping that's meant to learn. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:17:13 And there's more to come yet. What? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:17:15 And we, do you think, I mean, there's four 50 videos in the library isn't
Speaker 2 00:17:19 Yeah. Ever growing? So we are always having new content.
Speaker 1 00:17:22 What think you get to Ireland
Speaker 2 00:17:23 I to be over a thousand in what really? Yeah, probably a year's time. Really? Yeah. There's always something to talk about in golf, isn't it, without the complication. But what I love about it, Joe, it's just the structure of it. So, well yeah,
Speaker 1 00:17:34 No, it's, you've done a really good job. I'd say great job. And Portugal's coming up in October as well. So if you wanna join us in the sunshine, it's always a good treat. The mind, body, soul, we've got three,
Speaker 2 00:17:44 Four spaces.
Speaker 1 00:17:45 I think we take eight people. Kinston Marina in Portugal, which not. Oh, it's beautiful though, isn't it? We love it there. So that's coming up in October and all the information is on the proper golfing academy.com website. Facebook is proper golfing, you know, where everywhere really Instead YouTube, you can't get away from us. So final thing is to do with the grips, isn't it? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:18:04 So you've got the, you've hopefully you've chosen the right head, you've got the shaft that works best for you. So depending on flexes, on age on speed, you get loads of different information on that thickness of grip jump. Yeah. So important or not in your,
Speaker 1 00:18:19 Well, I would say yes a hundred percent. 'cause if you've got long hands or you know, long arms, thick hands, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Skinny fingers, long fingers. Hundred percent I would say. So
Speaker 2 00:18:28 Generally, if the grip is too thin for your hands, it can make your hands work too fast in the golf finger and close the come face. If it's too thick, you can slow your hand action down and you can start hitting the ball offline with it. So getting the right thickness of grip is good. So I'm a median glove. And then medium glove, I use a standard thickness of golf grip. Okay. So if you are large, extra large, so let's say you're large, you might want to go to a midsize. If you're an extra large glove, you might want to go to a jumbo. Ladies generally have slightly smaller hands. So a standard ladies grip would be good. But if you've got big hands as a lady, you might want to consider changing the thickness of your grips. So don't,
Speaker 1 00:19:06 Cant change them. I mean that's the thing, isn't it really? We do see a lot of people come, I mean you're, you know, big, I mean, you know, I think when you've got off some golf clubs, you've got nice grips on 'em, you knows, are you, you know, they don't have warm grips, they look terrible, feel terrible or Well
Speaker 2 00:19:19 They, the thing is with bad grips, worn grips, they, because they're shiny, you hold onto 'em tighter and you all know the tension's so bad, so you have to grip it tighter. So you, you're gonna lose distance probably with worn grips. So, but getting the right thickness of grip is really important. How do you know A little bit through feel. Okay,
Speaker 1 00:19:38 So
Speaker 2 00:19:38 I have had people with small hands, yeah. Who've got jumbo grips, but that's because their hands don't move very well. Oh, okay. So they might have a bit of arthritis in them or something like that. So you might want to consider having a thicker grip for that one. But, okay, so you,
Speaker 1 00:19:50 You buy your golf clubs, you buy golf clubs based on the shaft and the head, and then you can always replace the grips if you want to. Yeah, most pros do, don't they? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:19:59 But if you go to a jumbo grip, they're actually fractionally heavier, which makes the club head a bit lighter. So you might have to get them swing weighted as well. Just get them all balanced up properly. But, but yeah, consider the thickness of your grip. Don't just go with standard. 'cause it might not be right
Speaker 1 00:20:13 For you. Yeah, it just make a difference. Okay. So I just reminded you three things, Anne. So we're looking at the, the head, yeah. Looking at the shafts and then we're looking at the grips. Hopefully we've simplified that by all means. If you wanna get in touch with us, you can do that by connecting with either on email, we got loads, you can do Julian Miller proper golfing, or you can me do me, I'm Joe or bookings at the proper golfing academy.com. But anyway, we're really looking forward to hearing from you about those after draws. Wouldn't that be really good? Definitely. And just fling, flinging them into the, either the comments, if you're listening on YouTube or email us if you're via the podcast. Like I say, if you have been listening to audio, we'll put some pictures on Facebook and everything like that. But that brings us to the fa well, really we'll find a busy week this week. You've nearly how many golf balls you actually think you've hit today? Hit this week in our indoor studio lot. You guys. Some been playing.
Speaker 2 00:21:01 I, yeah, I'm going playing a really nice golf course next week. Is
Speaker 1 00:21:06 That in the diary?
Speaker 2 00:21:07 Sitting down? Sitting in the diary. So I'm taking the day off from coaching and going indulging in my passion. Not that I get to play a lot of golf, but I do believe you're gonna come and have a walk around us.
Speaker 1 00:21:17 Oh, absolutely. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. It's a
Speaker 2 00:21:20 Breathtaking golf course, so
Speaker 1 00:21:21 Let us know what you're up to. Anyway, that's it for today and we look forward to seeing you and listening and hearing and connecting with you on our next podcast. Bye for now. Take it easy.
Speaker 2 00:21:28 Bye bye.
Speaker 3 00:21:45 This has been a.
